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Translating English Parliament into Establishment languageThis is a response to Alexandra Runswick's post below about the Ministry of Justice committee meeting on the English question. Michael Knowles (Cheshire, Campaign for an English Parliament): I certainly found the Unlock Democracy account of the Justice committee proceedings very helpful in various ways. Many elements in it are very perceptive. However, she did make me smile a lot - smile quite cynically, that is. Her 'take', to use the word, is as Establishment as the Establishment figures she directs our attention to. I would say a most urbane account, very acceptable to the Establishment. Very very safe. It really is the sort of stuff they can take for a thousand years. Like water off a duck's back. Possibly it was the manner in which the Unlock Democracy people mixed so happily and easily in the corridor with the Establishment firgures in the half hour we were all kept waiting - a division bell - that told you most about them. I particularly enjoyed Alexandra's account - critique? - of my input and performance and of the CEP contribution, and then that of Unlock Democracy, to which she belongs. A masterpiece of objectivity, indeed of careful selectivity. Her own organisation's contribution, she says, was "balanced." Peter Facey, the Director of Unlock Democracy - she makes a point of slipping in the title - skillfully walked the tightrope between the "sense of alienation and unfairness" forcefully - i.e. unacceptable and very unparliamentary and plebbish anger - expressed by myself (ah, such delicious snobbery) and the prevailing parliamentary attitude on the other that nothing needs to be done. Yes, there was her Director saving the day, making careful "differentiations", adding a "definition to the English Question" and discussing how local authorities can "draw down powers' themselves rather than be directed by central government." I must say, though I did not quite sense it at the time, I now realise how fortunate I was to have been there to have experienced such a bestowal of tablets of wisdom from on high. And how ashamed of my contribution I now realise I have to be. Alexandra has done me such a favour. There was the Committee of MPs "trying to engage thoughtfully with the issues of an English Parliament" (which most definitely is not, the UD Director was keen to make clear to them, his organisation's policy. Good Lord, no!) "and how an English Parliament might work in practice" (I was at this meeting, wasn't I? I didn't sleep through it, did I? It was the same one I attended, wasn't it?). But, comments Alexandra, "the discussion wasn't particularly productive." Or in the language of the plebs, the CEP bloke wasn't intellectually or verbally up to it. On the one side, the side Unlock Democracy is at ease with, that of the Committee MPs, there is thoughtfulness and a desire to engage. On the other, well, should I say: the mob, the peasant, the luddite, the great unwashed? Or putting it another way, next time will you please watch your political and parliamentary p's and q's and don't fart in public. But the best in her account was yet to come. Just a single sentence, an utter gem of snootiness. Snobbery at its finest. The "discussion wasn't particuarly productive because Commitees expect campaign groups to have detailed worked-through policy solutions that it is not always possible to supply." Surely a put-down second to none. Bravo, Alexandra Runswick! The street campaigners, poor things, they just don't think it through; and we mustn't expect them too. Policy solutions from the plebs? Oh my! What an awful thought! By the way, Alexandra, I wonder where they taught you that. But I can help you out. What I would recommend is a short reading list which will address and relieve your deep humanitarian angst for the welfare of the masses and the preservation of the standards of the state: First, my submission to the Justice Committee. Just a mere 10 A4 pages of detailed discussion, sweetly paragraphed, simply to digest. Then two CEP booklets. 'Devolution for England. A Critique of the Conservative Party Policy of English Votes on English Matters' and 'The English Question'. Both 26 pages. All available anytime on request. Michael, you seem to want to be the "outsider" and cast everyone else as establishment. But sometimes it would help if you actually read the article before attacking. Or do you insist in being a victim as a matter of course regardless of what the other party says. Alex was talking about campaign groups (which by the way Unlock Democracy is one) not being expected to have detailed policy on every aspect. As was pointed out by a number of people after her post, campaign groups some times dont want to have detailed policy on whether the House of Lords should be the second chamber of a English Parliament or not. As for jibs about street campaigners as one of the main organisations that got the recent Sustainable Communities Bill into law I think we have got our Street Campaigners scouts badge thank you. Is this post intended to be satirical? If unlock democracy wants to live up to its name it should call for a referendum on an English Parliament. Mr Knowles was in a Hostile environment, I noticed the north welsh mp shaking his head as Mr Knowles was making his presentation. There are at least 20 MP's who have signed Frank Field's Early Day Motion calling for an English Parliament, I think some of them should be present in future. I remind our kingdom that Tony BlaIr in Yorkshire last year was asked about an English Parliament and he confirmed that in a referendum the people would vote yes to an English Parliament. I don't think I have read a more pointless contribution to this blog. Stop feeling so sorry for yourself Michael. I see there are some, not so bright people about these days, Mike is quite right in his visual and verbal judgment, he is just relaying that here. Some people just don't get what he is saying, either they don't want to know or don't understand the big picture. But at the same time he is also ignored and put down because of what he believes in. What is frustrating is the amount of people who claim to want something but are just diverting and hindering progress, either way that is not what the CEP is about. It is about getting an "English Parliament" established. Also their are no "sympathetic people for the cause" there are oppressed people of England, of any race that believe they are English just wanting someone to govern on their behalf not what they are getting now from the NL camp. I don't think he got the desired result he wanted, and was put down at the end of it all. Is he wrong for saying this? Look closer and second read always, and you may find "You" have over reacted when making your comments... I don’t think I have read a more pointless contribution to this blog. Stop feeling so sorry for yourself Michael. All the predictable responses both in tone and content from the anti English brigade . The Facey comment is gem . Hates the idea of England but doesn't have the guts to say so so settles for side criticisms instead complete with a patronising tone. Change a few words and it could be the struggle for womens suffrage all over again.
Keep it up Mike Michael, Rather than reading your reaction to others' opinions on how the Common's Committee meeting went, it would have been more interesting for me to read your own views on the day's events. CW - believing in something strongly does not require you to attack people who disagree with you, or those who are undecided or apathetic. Doing so means people who otherwise might have helped you in your aims or ignored them will work against you simply because they don't like you. Hi Michael and thanks for your contribution to the Commons committee. Alexandra was right that the discussion wasn't that productive. The MPs seemed to have made their minds up already. Still, the CEP have at least as many 'detailed proposals' as Ken Clarke who's had nothing to do for two years but think about the problem. I'll say it again, the best way to get an English parliament is to support the UK splitting up into the three/four countries which it consists of. Post new comment |
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Fri, 2008-02-29 19:20You really need to calm down. The CEP will get nowhere if it is seen to be frothing mad about everything. Concentrate on highlighting injustices and inequalities, not writing diatribes against other campaign groups. Otherwise, unceasing hostility will alienate people who might otherwise have been sympathetic to your cause.